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Frappe is the greek concept for instant cofee - Democracy is the Athenian concept of government.. Democracy - an ancient word, a form of government, a way of thinking, nothing from these, all together or something more? How ''fresh'' this word is in our era? Can we shape democracy using new technologies and concepts from our times? Questions, thoughts and proposes in a dialogue for her inner core...with a greek colour!

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26

10

2008

Cost of life in Athens

Cost of life in Athens! Welcome to the vibrant city that never sleeps!

Night life is in the blood of Greeks and is a major part of their social life. No chance to visit Athens and stay indoors. Traffic jam at 4:00 am is more than a probability...

Let’s walkabout in Athens. First, transportation to our destination costs €0,80 (bus, train, metro, tram, trolley) and the ticket is valid for one hour and a half. We choose to start our night to the movies where the ticket costs €7,00 to €7,50.

On the other hand what is also very interesting in Athens is the theatre. Greeks love theatre that is why for a capital of a small country you can find more scenes than London. Prices can start from €10-15-20. Then of course we go for a drink. A glass of wine would cost around 5.00€ whereas a glass of Heineken beer would cost €3,50 (25ml) or a Budweiser of 0,33ml round €6.00.

Hungry? Big Mac (€3.20) isn’ t actually “bon marché” in Greece, that is why you have to taste the typical greek souvlaki. One “Pita souvlaki” costs about €2.00- 2.30.

All that being said, considering what affects most the cost of life in Athens is that all the above can partly take place more than once during the week, they do not represent accurately having fun “à la grecque” and salaries is a whole another story! Gia mas!! (γειά μας!)

22

10

2008

Cartoons from the 27 countries of the Eurpean Union

'What do they laugh about in Germany? How does the british humour translate on paper? Which nation hosts the darkest satire? Does the climate of a country play any role in the satire produced? How does the cartoon function as a national mirror?" According to the Greek Cartoonists Association all these questions will be hopefully resolved in the exhibition which takes place in Zappeion during 13-25 october. An initiative which belongs to the Greek Cartoonists Association and really worths to visit for those of you that you are actually in Athens. I will add the link directly to the catalogue. http://www.parliament.gr/ektheseis/... for it can not be life without laughter!!

12

10

2008

Going for a coffee with a Greek...

Actually "Going for a coffee" in Greece it means that for the next at least 2-4 hours you ll be outside with a friend talking..gossiping and of course looking to the other people. So take care when you propose to a greek person to go for a coffee!! More than taste, "going for a coffee" is the prefered by far social activity of the Greeks which explains why coffee is expensive in Greece. 2 kind of traditional coffees: "Φραπέ" / "frappé" / "shaken!!" Is the youngsters favourite and that is why Giorgos has named the greek babelblog "frappebabel". Promise to make to each of you next time we meet..but we are talking about a dynamite for the normal European stomach..no chance to sleep for the next 10 hours. Ah! do not forget that this is always COLD coffee. A usefull link to fully understand the point of view: http://www.frappenation.com/greek/frappe.html 2And a traditional homeroasting coffee named just "greek" which resembles to the turkish and the arab. Many old women like to "read the cup" in order to predict one' s future. Ladies and gentlemen would you like to order...

19

03

2008

Enough with the name of Macedonia!

All these days we see a marathon of the greek government to achieve an agreement between herself and the Forme Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia over the name of this country. Both sides are willing to finish with the issue for different issues. While FYROM wants to be invited to join the NATO and so it has to find a solution in order to avoid a greek veto, Greece wants to close an issue that provoked so many problems to her foreign policy. Even though from both sides many extremistes were declaring that Macedonia is Greek or Macedonia is Macedonian I believe that tha majority of the people in both sides clearly understand that the issue of the name is too trivial to cause such great problems. For Greece this story is like a greek tragedy while after so many years of indifference over the issue she faced a non convinient for her reality after the declaration of Macedonia as an indipendant state - even though all these years before, Greece recognized the Republic of Macedonia within the Yugoslavian Federation. I dont want to present the history of the dispute between the two countries. What is important now at this very moment of negotiation is not the name of FYROM. Greece finally understood that she hasnt a monopoly of the name Macedonia because of the ancient legacy. Nobody who knows history in this planet believes that the inhabitants of FYROM are connected to Alexander's kingdom. What we have to understand is that Macedonia is not something that belongs only to one people. Macedonia is rich of multinational coexistance and culture during the Byzantine and Ottoman era, where Serbians, Slavmacedonians, Bulgarians, Jews, Albanians, Greek and Turks lived together. So the name Macedonia means a lot of things to all of these people. So, FYROM has to accept a solution which of course involve the term Macedonia but with a remark that they are not the only Macedonians in the region. Every people in this planet has the right to self -determination so the Macedonians of FYROM. But this right must not insult other nations in order to co-exist in harmony. As a result in order to become a member of NATO and the EU, FYROM has to renounce any possible territorial claim over her neighbours (Greece and Bulgaria) something which is vital for the stability in the region.

26

02

2008

Turning point in Cyprus...Is the problem to be solved ?

On Sunday something changed to Cyprus...For the first time a communist candidate was elected President of the Republic..his name Dimitris Xristofias of the AKEL party..For sure this change means a lot of things not only for the free part of the island but also for the nothern -occupied by Turkey- part. Turkish Cypriots are waiting for a solution which now seems to be closer than before since Papadopoulos is no longer in power...however they all know that Cristofia's election was a result of Papadopoulos support which probably means a lot on how will the new president try to reach an agreement with the Turkish Cypriots. However Turkish cypriotic medias covered the issue mentioning that the obstacle of Papadopoulos was overpassed. Mehmet Ali Talat mentioned something very important according to my point of view..that it is urgent for Greek Cypriots to understand that Turkish Cypriotic community is politically equal to the Greek Cypriotic in this island. Personally I agree with this..as long as we dont forget that 27% cannot govern the 73% of the people..and that a state, member of the European Union doesnt need protector states let alone a turkish army in the nothern part..an army of a candidate country which does not recognize a member state..

Where are the public universities??? An erasmus experience...

Hello dear friends,

I am doing my Erasmus in Liege,Belgium and I found it compelling enough to share with you my current experience of studying in another university and also some thoughts over education in our continent.. University of Liege is one of the best universities of Belgium with a high percentage of foreign students (almost 40%). Before the classes begun we took the bus from the city after paying 1.30 euros - an enormous amount for the greek standards and after finding out that there where no discount for students..You can imagine that it was a big shock because in Greece the student ticket for a single route is 0.25 euro!!! After that we went to the campus to find the residence where we would stay these 6 wonderful months to come...but the price is 270 euros for one month while the price for a residence in Greece is 350 euros for a year...!!! The local students informed me also that they have to pay almost 1000 euros per year for the University and they also had to buy the books something we will have to do too just because we are Erasmus...This conversation happened in the restaurant of the university where we payed from 4 to 6 euros to eat.. while in Greece it is 3 euros per year!!! Some Spanish students from Barcelona told me that they also pay the same amount as in Liege...all these for their public university!!! So is this a public university? No I dont think so..it is public only for those who have at least 1000 euros per year to spend for their studies...And where is the acquis for public education which is a duty of the state to its citizens? A right which is supposed to be common for all its citizens? I dont care if the greek university does not recognize ECTS points, the Bologna process or if the political parties play significant role in its function...I really dont care...because I dont have to pay registration each year or to buy my books...Neither to pay for my residence or my food...I dont want to present my country as an example..greek universities have a lot of problems, serious problems...but at least they are public..This should be the demand of all European students...really public universities in the EU..attending a public university without paying is not a luxury, its a right...

11

01

2008

New Year, an Olympic one. New China ? New Olympics? I don't think so..

Happy New Year everyone!

This year 2 things are going to attract the globe : the American presidential election on November 2008 and the 29th Summer Olympics in Beijing, China. The 8th of August at 8 p.m 2008 we are going to watch the Opening Ceremony of the Beijing Olympic Games and as the creator of the ceremony inform us it is going to present us the chinese culture and history and with them the environmental problems we have to deal with. All these in 2008, the year that China will be the first country to emit Co2 surpassing the amount of the US pollution. China wants to use the Olympics to show the world that is here to stay. Also the cost to organise the Olympics is getting bigger as years pass, making it impossible for smaller countries to host them. Those who believed that the Athens Games would give a spirit in the organisation soon found that sponsorships were bigger than thos of Sydney 2000. However Greece managed to host secure Games and presented an Opening Ceremony which was very different of what we had seen before and was regarded as one of the best one ever. But it didnt manage to change them.. Now it is expected the opposite: while in 2004 all the people expected that with the return to their birthplace the Olympics would change, in 2008 Olympics are expected to change China. But is it going to happen ? Will China change its political system and give more freedoms? Or will things going to get better with Thibet and Taiwan ? Will the Red Dragon decide to adopt a model of green economical development ? I dont think so...While all these happen voices worldwide and especially in Greece believe that the Olympics are nothing more than a big party of politicians, athletes and sponsors and they have nothing to do with the Ancient Games and the romantic era of the Modern Games. Is the Olympic movement on decline? How all these dopping scandals and economic relations with sponsors reflect on its image? Is there any hope to restore their previous glory, or the Olypmic movement today reflects a small image of our world ? A world were money, enterprises and illegal drugs are above human beings ?

04

12

2007

Turkey : A threat to European Democracy or a threat to European Right-Wing Populism?

This is an artcile made by user Daskalos over Turkey's accesion in the EU

Many of us have attended a number of discussions over one of the most controversial topics in European thought and politics, especially when we consider issues such as democracy, human rights, the enlargement of the European Union and perhaps even Islam.

'Should Turkey join the European Union'? 'Isn't Europe a Christian club'? 'Isn't Turkey a backward, Muslim nation bordering the Middle East'? 'Turkey does not respect fundamental human rights!' These are some of the statements often made by politicians, academics, journalists, philosophers, religious authorities and ordinary people all over Europe, from Ireland to Poland and from Portugal to Greece.

On the 3rd of December 2007, German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated that her Christian Democratic Union Party opposes Turkey's bid to join the European Union as a full member. This was the first time she officially opposed Turkish EU accession: "We are, have been and will remain in favour of a privileged partnership with Turkey, but we're against full membership in the European Union," said Merkel in a speech to the Christian Democrats' annual convention in Hanover.

Does this statement reflect well-thought of democratic principles, or is this statement an outright expression of bias? Why is Turkey not worth a European Union membership - have they done something wrong? If Turkey have done something wrong, should they not be given a second chance (after all, wasn't Germany given one)?

26

11

2007

Looking back to the old days...

There is always a time that you look back to your roots in order to better identify yourself..Modern democracy is not very old if we consider how many centuries the world was ruled by kings, monarchs, priests et.c. But why do we have the image that now, in our days democracy - or better say the republic is old-fashioned? If she looks back to her roots she can find many different types of democracy but what is more known than the old days of the Athenian Democracy ? Historians and political scientists still argue for the very nature of this form of goverment but they agree in three things : Athenian Democracy was the most direct form of democracy, the most long period of direct democracy and the only time that a superpower of its days rose from a democratic form of government. If we all consider ourselves democrates then we all regard Athens as our ancestor, but the question is one : What this ancient knowledge can offer to modern democracies and specially to the European Union? Let's debate over this! What do you think we can do today using elements of the past. Do we need them or not?

Fighting for a historical relic..the modern Macedonian Question

When reffering to Macedonia is very difficult to define of what are you talking about : is Macedonia a georgaphical term, is it a nation and why for eons all these Balkan people fight for this piece of land? Lets split the timeline in three periods..The first one is the ancient era, where Macedonia means an indipendent state ruled by Phillip II and after him Alexander the Great. This state consider of itself to be a part of the greek world. Macedonia shares the same language,culture, religion and joins every pan-hellenic event as for example the Olympic Games. This state under the rule of Alexander united almost all the greek city states and declared war to the Persian Empire. The second period begins from the Roman times and continues to the Byzantine Empire (or Eastern Roman Empire) and her succesor in the area the Ottoman Empire. All this time which is almost 19 centuries Macedonia is called the geographical region of the ancient kingdom which now was a province of all these empires. After Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia became indipendent they all wanted to gain the region of Macedonia because of her strategical and economical importance and because they all had people of the same nation who inhabited Macedonia. During the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913 the united Balkan allies captured Macedonia and with the Bucharest Treaty of 1913 the Ottoman Empire was forced to cede the region to the allies. Greece and Serbia controlled almost the 95 % of the former ottoman region but Greece had the biggest part which also included the capital of the region Thessalonica. The decades following the creation of Yugoslavia under the king Alexander III Karageorgevitc the region of Serbian Macedonia was named Vardaska which means the land of the Vardar river. After Tito came to power and made Yugoslavia a federal stated he changed the name and made it Peoples republic of Macedonia while he cultivated a Macedonian national identity. After the collapse of Yugoslavia the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia declared it's independance and changed her name into Macedonia. This goes to the third period...Macedonia tried to convince the globe that they were the same nation as ancient Macedonia and of course they claimed that Alexander was also a Macedonian. Following that they used the royal emblem of Alexander as their flag and in their school books they claimed that Macedonia was under Greek and Bulgarian occupation. After Greece outrageously rejected all these, there was a negotiation process where F.Y.R.O.M. accepted to join the UN under the name former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and was forced to changed her flag and every territorial claim over the Greek region of Macedonia. All this history is needed to understand why Greeks have emotional reasons of not accepting Macedonia as the name of this country. If we take in mind that much of the greek nationalism is based on Alexander's Macedonia and that nowadays Greece owes almost the 90% of the ancient Macedonia and a huge part of the Ottoman Macedonia then we can understand the sensitivity of the issue. However, the Greeks dont have the exclusivity to the term which is geographical and is vital for FYROM's stability in the interior.Of course this doesn't mean that FYROM or any other country have the right to exclusively use the name of a region - and especially Macedonia which is important for all Balkan people. Personally, I would like in the name of the neighbouring country to be defined that this country is not the whole of Macedonia -which is after all a georgaphical term- but a part of it f.e. Nothern Macedonia, or Slavian Macedonia et.c. Furthermore FYROM must stop fabricating historical facts over ancient Macedonia. In conclusion, the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of FYROM when interviewed said : Of course we have no relation with Ancient Macedonia, but when in Balkans in order to proof a different national existance you have to present history we were forced by you (the Greeks) to fabricate our history.....

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11

2007

Referrenda : a form of direct democracy or a tool in the hands of the government ?

The call for a referrendum is the most common demand of many social and political groups who demand direct democracy institutions and call the people to answer in a series of issues. However there is a lot of discussion on how much representative are the results and if they express the pure will of the people. Even thought referrenda seem to be a positive measure in order to make the system of government more direct, in my point of view referrenda can easily be manipulated from the government. The process - meaning the issue and the way it is given as a question to the people can influence the voters and and give out a result which will be in favor of those who rule. Then national referrenda in France and the Netherlands said a loud 'NO' to the European Constitutional Treaty. However, after the outcome many people and analysts supported that the people in these two countries said 'NO' not to the Treaty itself but to a series of domestic policy issues. The referrendum was for those people a chance to express their general agree or disagree over some governmential decisions and not a direct answer for the content of the Treaty. France voted NO to a possible accesion of Turkey in the EU and NO to president Chirac. The residents of the Netherlands where influenced from the french vote too. On the other hand, Spanish who voted for the Constitutional Treaty probably expressed their support to the newly elected government of Socialists if we take in mind the millions of books presenting the Treaty which were found in rubbish the day after they were given to the people. In Greece there is a proposal of referrendum over the issue of Macedonia and it was made from some political and social groups. According to their viewpoint people should answer if they accept or not a name for F.Y.R.O.M. which will include the term Macedonia. They claim that the vast majority of the greek people will not accept the term in the solution because of sentimental and historical reasons. According to my point of view this will make things worse because the result wont be a direct answer to the question of Macedonia but it will be used as a form of pressure to the Greek government for the general reforms introduced. So isn't it necessary to see how can referrenda will be made in order to express the pure will of the people?

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11

2007

Welcome - ''kalos irthate''

The first greek blog is here !

The greek proposal of the -strongest- european cofee ever and the Athens local group! This blog aims to become a ground for european debate over an issue strongly related to the western thought : democracy and ways to make it deeper - Is it possible to make democracy more direct using our modern technology ? We want you to share with us your thoughts, your ideas and your proposes ! Also, every topic related to Greece and Europe is strongly recommended! You can send it in english or greek and see it available in each language translated ! Welcome- kalos irthate !